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		<title>By: LK</title>
		<link>http://loosekannon.com/missing-the-boat-2-of-2-the-college-divides-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>old and grumpy (see above) sounds young and innovative.  doesn&#039;t sound all that grumpy either.  a far more comprehensive response than mine and i&#039;m grateful for it.
please stay in touch.  LK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>old and grumpy (see above) sounds young and innovative.  doesn&#8217;t sound all that grumpy either.  a far more comprehensive response than mine and i&#8217;m grateful for it.<br />
please stay in touch.  LK</p>
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		<title>By: oldandgrumpy</title>
		<link>http://loosekannon.com/missing-the-boat-2-of-2-the-college-divides-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>oldandgrumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One has to ask, how much of the national electoral process was the result of the geography and transportation methods of the founder&#039;s time. It would have been a daunting task to give voice to individuals scattered over the new Republic. The college allowed states to be represented by non essential members of their communities with a minimum of expenditure. How would the founders have structured the process if they had the internet, or even the modern postal system?

Government needs an overhaul from the county level up. Most states are divided into redundant taxing entities that were formed with the limitation of a day&#039;s buggy ride in mind. As example, Iowa is divided into 99 counties, each with many paid officials doing exactly the same work as their counterparts a few miles down the road. Consolodation will not be likely to be initiated by politicians who make their living at that level, so it will require a citizen&#039;s movement above the present political structure. 

Interjecting national thinking into Presidential elections would be a good start to a process of making government more responsive to the individual, who was viewed as supreme in all other matters considered by the founders. The representitive makeup of the Senate will keep the relevancy of the states intact in national policy. One person, one vote would also eliminate much of the potential fraud now present in the election process and depower local officials where they should have no authority. The result would be a more responsive government with a multi-party system representative of the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to ask, how much of the national electoral process was the result of the geography and transportation methods of the founder&#8217;s time. It would have been a daunting task to give voice to individuals scattered over the new Republic. The college allowed states to be represented by non essential members of their communities with a minimum of expenditure. How would the founders have structured the process if they had the internet, or even the modern postal system?</p>
<p>Government needs an overhaul from the county level up. Most states are divided into redundant taxing entities that were formed with the limitation of a day&#8217;s buggy ride in mind. As example, Iowa is divided into 99 counties, each with many paid officials doing exactly the same work as their counterparts a few miles down the road. Consolodation will not be likely to be initiated by politicians who make their living at that level, so it will require a citizen&#8217;s movement above the present political structure. </p>
<p>Interjecting national thinking into Presidential elections would be a good start to a process of making government more responsive to the individual, who was viewed as supreme in all other matters considered by the founders. The representitive makeup of the Senate will keep the relevancy of the states intact in national policy. One person, one vote would also eliminate much of the potential fraud now present in the election process and depower local officials where they should have no authority. The result would be a more responsive government with a multi-party system representative of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: HrothgarOfHeorot</title>
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		<dc:creator>HrothgarOfHeorot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s the silliest thing I&#039;ve ever heard. The electoral college is the only preserving &quot;unity&quot; in this country. Personally, I don&#039;t want to be one face in a sea of 300 million. I want to be a North Carolinian. I want my state to act like a state. It exists for a reason and it&#039;s ours. Remove the electoral college and you will have struck the final blow--you will effectively abolished statehood.

Is that what you mean by &quot;flexibility&quot;? This a large country and many of the American states are the size of whole nations. They deserve to be autonomous. They deserve to decide things as sovereign entities. This absurd notion that the electoral college somehow divides people is getting tiresome. What the college does is allow states to settle an election internally as one whole state. That is, North Carolinians vote and the votes are tallied, North Carolina reaches a decision...as North Carolina.

If people like you ever succeed in abolishing the electoral college, we will cease to be living a federal republic. Instead, we will have the Californian hegemony. Perhaps that is really what you want....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s the silliest thing I&#8217;ve ever heard. The electoral college is the only preserving &#8220;unity&#8221; in this country. Personally, I don&#8217;t want to be one face in a sea of 300 million. I want to be a North Carolinian. I want my state to act like a state. It exists for a reason and it&#8217;s ours. Remove the electoral college and you will have struck the final blow&#8211;you will effectively abolished statehood.</p>
<p>Is that what you mean by &#8220;flexibility&#8221;? This a large country and many of the American states are the size of whole nations. They deserve to be autonomous. They deserve to decide things as sovereign entities. This absurd notion that the electoral college somehow divides people is getting tiresome. What the college does is allow states to settle an election internally as one whole state. That is, North Carolinians vote and the votes are tallied, North Carolina reaches a decision&#8230;as North Carolina.</p>
<p>If people like you ever succeed in abolishing the electoral college, we will cease to be living a federal republic. Instead, we will have the Californian hegemony. Perhaps that is really what you want&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciate the thought, and as it relates to the constitution and the notion of a nation of states you&#039;re absolutely correct.  The fathers themselves, in the form of amendments, made provisions for some flexibility that might be needed as time passed and chinks in the constitution&#039;s armor showed up, and in this case, I believe one is warranted.  If the US was a democracy, you&#039;d have one person, one vote, and every individual, regardless of their state of residence, would matter.
A lesser evil than the current divisive state of things, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the thought, and as it relates to the constitution and the notion of a nation of states you&#8217;re absolutely correct.  The fathers themselves, in the form of amendments, made provisions for some flexibility that might be needed as time passed and chinks in the constitution&#8217;s armor showed up, and in this case, I believe one is warranted.  If the US was a democracy, you&#8217;d have one person, one vote, and every individual, regardless of their state of residence, would matter.<br />
A lesser evil than the current divisive state of things, I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LK, while I see your point, I have to wonder how well thought out it is. The United States was never intended to be a democracy. the founding fathers were very clear on that in their own writings, and the word &quot;democracy&quot; never appears in any of our founding documents.

The UNITED States is a union of states. Those states determine how electors, and representatives are chosen. The Constitution only spells out how the electors are apportioned.

If the United States were a democracy, wouldn&#039;t the only states that mattered in an election be NY and CA? What would happen with Wyoming or even Kansas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LK, while I see your point, I have to wonder how well thought out it is. The United States was never intended to be a democracy. the founding fathers were very clear on that in their own writings, and the word &#8220;democracy&#8221; never appears in any of our founding documents.</p>
<p>The UNITED States is a union of states. Those states determine how electors, and representatives are chosen. The Constitution only spells out how the electors are apportioned.</p>
<p>If the United States were a democracy, wouldn&#8217;t the only states that mattered in an election be NY and CA? What would happen with Wyoming or even Kansas?</p>
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		<title>By: Xeres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xeres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the comment Obama made when he said &quot;It&#039;s never about red or blue states&quot;...we have and always will be The United States of America&quot; in his acceptance speech.


For many years, white man has reigned over large areas where no white man itself fully co-existed with its natural inhabitants. For them to see a (half)black dude take power in the greatest nation on Earth, is a victory no white man can comprehend....weren&#039;t we all equal? Hadn&#039;t we not abolished slavery and stuff like that? I know this is what it&#039;s supposed to be but what is supposed to be isn&#039;t what&#039;s practised, though more widespread than before. When Obama was elected, many parts of the world who suffered under the reign of white man felt justified. Including the ones in the USA. 40 years is not long enough to forget. 
Now that there is a black guy in office we&#039;ll see if colour makes any difference. I think not, but from now on we&#039;ll not be judging by colour for our leaders. And that&#039;s in itself a big relieve. Whatever he will be doing, this achievement cannot ever be undone: he not only turned the USA in the biggest festivalsite we have ever seen, for a moment in time the war on terror was won. And I can only hope, you keep this moment in mind, this moment of common goal getting, for it&#039;s all that stands between divide and terror or progression and solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the comment Obama made when he said &#8220;It&#8217;s never about red or blue states&#8221;&#8230;we have and always will be The United States of America&#8221; in his acceptance speech.</p>
<p>For many years, white man has reigned over large areas where no white man itself fully co-existed with its natural inhabitants. For them to see a (half)black dude take power in the greatest nation on Earth, is a victory no white man can comprehend&#8230;.weren&#8217;t we all equal? Hadn&#8217;t we not abolished slavery and stuff like that? I know this is what it&#8217;s supposed to be but what is supposed to be isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s practised, though more widespread than before. When Obama was elected, many parts of the world who suffered under the reign of white man felt justified. Including the ones in the USA. 40 years is not long enough to forget.<br />
Now that there is a black guy in office we&#8217;ll see if colour makes any difference. I think not, but from now on we&#8217;ll not be judging by colour for our leaders. And that&#8217;s in itself a big relieve. Whatever he will be doing, this achievement cannot ever be undone: he not only turned the USA in the biggest festivalsite we have ever seen, for a moment in time the war on terror was won. And I can only hope, you keep this moment in mind, this moment of common goal getting, for it&#8217;s all that stands between divide and terror or progression and solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottish vote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottish vote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys in the Scottish parliament we have a mix of 6 representative parties labour ( close to democrat), Conservative (close to republican), Scottish national party, Liberal democrat, socialist and green because our system has a representational voting system. This contrasts with our failed British parliament almost identical to your failed two party system.

73 are elected as constituency MSPs and 56 are elected as additional members, seven from each of eight regional groups of constituencies. This additional member system produces a form of proportional representation for each region.

Once the hype dies down you&#039;ll realise your like Britain was in 1997 with Blair (historic because it was 18 years since last labour government and Blair was youngest ever PM) your stuck with a guy who has no idea how to fulfill his promises, he is just a king of spin and has been given too big a majority to be challenged by the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys in the Scottish parliament we have a mix of 6 representative parties labour ( close to democrat), Conservative (close to republican), Scottish national party, Liberal democrat, socialist and green because our system has a representational voting system. This contrasts with our failed British parliament almost identical to your failed two party system.</p>
<p>73 are elected as constituency MSPs and 56 are elected as additional members, seven from each of eight regional groups of constituencies. This additional member system produces a form of proportional representation for each region.</p>
<p>Once the hype dies down you&#8217;ll realise your like Britain was in 1997 with Blair (historic because it was 18 years since last labour government and Blair was youngest ever PM) your stuck with a guy who has no idea how to fulfill his promises, he is just a king of spin and has been given too big a majority to be challenged by the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: okinkun</title>
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		<dc:creator>okinkun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama still won in the national popular vote by like over 5 mil... So even though the electoral college thing sucks and should be abolished, this time anyway it still worked the way it should.

It&#039;s times when the majority votes one way, and the electoral college votes another, that I think is the problem. And THIS is the MAIN problem with the electoral college.

We are a nation of united individual states, a union of states. This is the nature of this country, and it is only natural for there to be differences. It is actually rather functional that the votes take place in each state and are counted up for that state individually, first... I don&#039;t think we should switch that to a national-counting system, for fear of losing that sense of individuality of states...(that system may even be easier to manipulate) Even if that doesn&#039;t solve the whole battleground states and split nation problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama still won in the national popular vote by like over 5 mil&#8230; So even though the electoral college thing sucks and should be abolished, this time anyway it still worked the way it should.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s times when the majority votes one way, and the electoral college votes another, that I think is the problem. And THIS is the MAIN problem with the electoral college.</p>
<p>We are a nation of united individual states, a union of states. This is the nature of this country, and it is only natural for there to be differences. It is actually rather functional that the votes take place in each state and are counted up for that state individually, first&#8230; I don&#8217;t think we should switch that to a national-counting system, for fear of losing that sense of individuality of states&#8230;(that system may even be easier to manipulate) Even if that doesn&#8217;t solve the whole battleground states and split nation problem.</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not clear where you&#039;re coming from, as this election was about one ultra diverging fork in the road.  would love for you to elaborate.
thanks.  LK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not clear where you&#8217;re coming from, as this election was about one ultra diverging fork in the road.  would love for you to elaborate.<br />
thanks.  LK</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is almost no difference between McCain and Obama. That is why people don&#039;t care in this &#039;historic time.&#039; As a matter of curiosity is there any time which is not &#039;historic.&#039; dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is almost no difference between McCain and Obama. That is why people don&#8217;t care in this &#8216;historic time.&#8217; As a matter of curiosity is there any time which is not &#8216;historic.&#8217; dumb.</p>
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